On the island, Ralph and Piggy believe that the boys need to be deliberate about their actions. Why do you think that is so? Do you agree? What mistakes have they made so far?
If you could pick one of the characters introduced so far, who are you most like, and why?
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Ralph and Piggy are obviously at a disadvantage since many of the kids that they are leading are young and not full grown adults yet; within a few days they will have to find a way to get the boys to act maturely so they can operate in a cohesive manner which will hopefully help them survive on the island. They also have to find a way to get off the island. Life and death is a serious manner and it seems that the older boys understand this so I agree with Ralph and Piggy's motives. However, they only decided to take such action after they made several mistakes which resulted in the loss of a large amount of their firewood and maybe even one of their own group members. If I could pick one of the characters I would say that I am most like Ralph because I want to be on good terms with all the people I meet in school and abroad just as Ralph tries to do with the boys so he can organize them properly.
Since the boys are all alone on the island, they have to be wise about their decisions. Piggy and Ralph mean that the boys just can't run off, and do something without giving serious thought. For example, the fire they made wasted a lot of firewood, and caused a massive chaos with all the boys running around. I agree with this because they are trapped on a island. Whatever they use, most likely will be extremely hard to get back. Like if they use wood everyday, pretty soon they are going to run out of wood. They have to use their materials wisely instead of irrationally. In my opinion a mistake the boys already made was not listening to the little boy's story. The kid was in tears, and all they could do was laugh. I thought that it was very cruel what they said to him. Yes, it could have been a dream, but how do they know, who could have really seen a snake. And now he is gone, and they have no idea where he is. That also reminds me that, the older boys made a mistake in not writing down the names of the boys, or at least the numbers of how many they are. They have no idea how many people they need to support, which will lead to problems, because how are they going to know if a child is missing, or if someone is hurt.
Out of all the characters in the book, I think I am most like Ralph, because I like to take charge and be a leader. Honestly I like to do things my way, rather then put my full trust in someone elses hands. Ralph sometimes gets out of hand, and honestly sometimes I go a little overboard when I take charge, but not on purpose. Basically, I am a leader and so is Ralph, making us alike.
-Katie Michels
Ralph, Piggy and the rest of the so-called leaders have to be notified of the actions by any others on the island so they can instill some type of order and keep everyone in check. Without this, no one would know where anyone else is and chaos would arise. I strongly agree with these orders, because of the fact that there are many young children on the island and they can't be wandering around and wreaking havoc. Even though some control is depicted,the leaders have done some things wrong. Instead of counting the number of children, they let them run off at certain points so they don't know if anyone is lost or dead. Also, Piggy does not receive any respect, especially not from Jack which can cause problems later on.In addition,the story told by the kid about the snake is not taken into consideration, which shows everyone else's lack of empathy and kindness. Lastly, I see myself as someone like Ralph who is able to take charge and explain his thoughts and intentions clearly.
-Andrew
The boys most likely have to deliberate about their actions to make sure that everyone is in agreement, or else riots or retaliations could start. I think Ralph/Jack should not deliberate and just do what they think is right and see what the results are; they don't need output from young children who don't know what they're talking about. Mistakes made so far would be not being fair to everyone; Piggy for example. They never allow him to speak even when holding the almighty conch. For all they know, he could go on a killing spree [although not probable]. I would say I am most like Jack because if I was on this island, I wouldn't as much about being rescued [like Ralph] as much as finding food and surviving in the current situation. They should worry about what is happening NOW not later.
I think they want everyone to be deliberate about their actions so that they can keep everyone together. Although they're all very bright, they know that they are nothing when not in a group. I agree with this; they need each other to bounce off ideas and protect.
I'm not like any of them. But I do think Piggy is adorable.
Piggy and Ralph are having problems getting the boys to act more maturely and realize that they have to start taking care of themselves. The maturity of the boys will probably play a role in how they run the tasks in the island and the leader that they choose therefore it is crucial that they start realizing this even will force them to grow up. So far, the boys have not listened fully to instructions and are just going along with whoever sounds "cooler" or whoever has the more interesting sounding ideas (woohoo fireee!), if this behaviour evolves the society they create might end up twisted and unethical.
I think im mostly like the little boy who said there was a snake. Im usually the one that always introduces pessimism and fear into a situation and then starts getting worried about something that in reality might have not been there.....but i think snakes are kinda cool.....
*event
Ralph and Piggy have problems controlling the population- since there are no consequences, why follow the rules?
I would say I am most like Piggy- always the (more or less) voice of reason, always trying to do the right thing, and, more often than not, ignored because people just didn't want to listen to me.
I believe that Ralph and Piggy believe the boys need to be deliberate about their actions because of the situation they are in. Being alone on the island, the fear of the unknown exhists among the kids. Therefore, they are trying to be safe by being cautious about the actions they perform. I agree with this belief, because due to the situation theyre in, and the lack of aid in case of an emergency, any small mistake could be a deadly one. Some mistakes which they have made so far include using an abundence of their firewood, and possibly losing a group member. I would say i am most like Ralph so far. Though he is cruel to Piggy, he has another side which expresses great leadership. Unlike Jack who leaps before he thinks, Ralph is thoughtful and plans ahead. Not only is he concerned about how to survive for the time being, but also how to be rescued for he knows they can only survive on their own on the island for a restricted amount of time.
I think that Ralph and Piggy need to lead their group with a firmer control. The childen on the island are uncontrollable since they are young, and under no authority. There are many mistakes that the boys have made so far. The greatest of these was not establishing an equal treatment of all the boys. Piggy and the younger boys are not paid much attention to. Piggy is laughed at by everyone, and nobody listens to him. This is bad since Piggy is smart and has helpful things to say, but is not taken seriuosly. As for the young boy, nobody listened to him, and as a result now they are all fearful of the snake. Nobody kept track of how many boys there were of where they are, and now they are unsure if anybody is missing. The fire wasted a lot of resources on the island, and could have injured or killed any boys in the area. That was dumb.
I think I might be a little like Ralph, because though I'm not completely in charge I do take some leadership and make myself known. I do what I can to be useful and help out people, but I'm not a snob like him though.
Ralph and Piggy wants the boys to be deliberate about their actions so that they can be rescued as soon as possible. The two characters on the island believe that the boys should cooperate with each other, so that they can hopefully survive and protect each other. I agree with this method of survival. However, things are not exactly going this way. Already, the boys have lost a member of the group.
I think I am most like Simon. I am very quiet and shy, yet willing to help.
So far the boys have made several mistakes. They rush into things without even thinking it through, and therefore those actions result in consequences. Also they need more rules because it seems a little chaotic. Also if they have rules already they should obide by them, like when Piggy had the conch and he was speaking Ralph kept interupting and putting him down. I really dont think i am like any of the characters in the book or even relate to any of them.
-Katie P
Ralph and Piggy believe that the boys need to be deliberate about their actions because being rescued is their number one priority and if actions are not thought through, dire consequences could be the result of carelessness (I agree). Mistakes they have made so far involve the fire and the small boy. I think I am most like Simon because although he is not a leader, he contributes to the group by helping.
I believe the boys' biggest mistake so far is not listening to Piggy. Out of all the boys on the island, Piggy has the most common sense and intelligence. He had the suggestion of building shelter first, but inistead the boys decided to make a fire that almost burned down half the island. Piggy was also the only one to notice that one of the little boys was missing after the fire. If the boys would have just listened to Piggy, everything might have turned out differently. Also, the boys are very disconnected as a group. Jack has little control over his hunters, Ralph only has Simon helping him on the shelter, and everyone else is bathing or enjoying themselves on the island. Ralph, as the leader, needs to come up with some sort of rule book and disciplinary system that will encourage the boys to do more work and not neglect their tasks. If the boys are more deliberate about their actions, there is a better chance that they will have sufficient food, shelter, and other basic necessities and hopefully survive the island experience, no matter how long it takes. Out of all the characters I think I am most like Ralph since I enjoy being a leader and am a big fan of hard work. If I were on that island, my greatest concern would be how to be rescued and I would probably spend most of my time and energy on that particular task, just like Ralph. Although I am not like Piggy, he is definitely my favorite character!
deliberation and group discussion are the only ways things can get done-especially in this kind of situation- a group of boys on an unihabited island. they need to get together, and talk out what they want to do. i agree that this is very important for them. i know it will be hard because they are just a group of boys, and at their age, they'll surely make mistakes. the boys are a bit selfish: they all want to talk at once, many different boys want to be the leader etc. i don't really blame them, but many mistakes have been made. besides electing a leader, they have made no rules, or administration. at their age, they need that in order to be effective.
of the characters introduced so far, i'd say i'm most like piggy. not physically, but we have similar personalities. like piggy, i'm clever. both of us however,sometimes don't really get alot of recognition for our ideas. piggy and i also are used. our lack of assertiveness causes people to "step all over us" (for lack of a better phrase) and not listen to our input. sometimes my maturity is overlooked, and i can never get people to listen to me.
-livia
The boys are all alone on the island and they have many decisions that will decide whether they will survive. Piggy and Ralph need to teach Jack and everyone to think things through and not do something without thinking about it. I agree with this because they are trapped on a island and if they want to get off they have to do the right things. Everything is scarce and they will run out of the essentials rather quickly. A mistake the boys already made was building a fire. It didn't accomplish anything and they lost a lot of wood because of it. It also caused a large forest fire destroyed more wood. It also wasted half of the day and i consumed a lot of energy. I see myself as Piggy a quiet person that knows a lot but doesn't want to take charge.
-Chris Cacciola
The boys do in fact have to be a little bit clearer and more precise with their decisions. However they havent done a horrible job so far. The first thins they have to do is worry about surviving in the beginning. If u cant stay alive long enough to be saved, what good does a big fire or pig roasts do for you. Thats why they must order the importance of tasks, with neccesities first, and then as u go down the list things that are more of a pleasure than a need.
I would say im Ralph because if i get an idea, im not goin to hold it in, im gunna say what i want to say, and am willing to argue in favor of my point.
I think that the boys believe they need to be deliberate about their actions because the situation on the island is very new to them. They are not used to being free to make their own decisions and unbound by any restrictions or rules. It would seem that without any supervision, they must think about their actions and plans more thoroughly than they may have previously. I agree with this idea. They were used to having things thought out and planned for them. The best way to do something would be clearly laid out for them. Without that assistance, you really have to consider the best way to go about something for yourself. So far i think that their biggest mistake was letting the fire burn down half the island. It did not seem all that easy to gather good firewood to begin with, and now I can only imagine it will be harder. Other than that it does not seem like any huge mistakes have been made. It probably would have been a good idea to take a census and establish some kind of buddy system.
^^^ My bad... I forgot to put my name on the comment above this...
-NickNieminen-
The boys definitely need to be deliberate about their actions. If the other kids sense that Ralph does not make firm desicions and constantly second guesses himself, they will lose trust in him as a leader. The mistakes made so far have definitely been in regards to jobs. Although they established Ralph as a leader and a few other boys as informal hunters, what about the rest of the boys? They need jobs too; every member of the island has to work together to ensure the maximum amount of survival.
I'd probably be most like Piggy...not because I'm fat! But because often I feel too pressured to be a leader and instead look to others for leadership and guidace.
I think that Ralph and Piggy say that the boys should deliberate about their actions because as Piggy made it clear, they were not putting their priorities first. Piggy said, which I agree with and glad that he said, that if they made a fire then they could possibly light the forest on fire, showing that the boys should think about their actions forest before following through with their plans. I absolutely agree with Ralph and Piggy when they said that the boys had to deliberate about their actions, because in doing so, they can prevent mistakes and obstacles. If I could pick a character that I am most like so far, I would choose Piggy, because I ay be shy and not heard of often, but I do have leadership skills that I am willing to showcase, and I am open to compromising with other people, to get the best leadership done, as possible.
When Ralph and Piggy said they need to be deliberate about their actions, I agree 100%. I think they said this because since there are so many young children on the island and no adult supervision, everything they do turns into chaos. Also they do not know when, if ever, they will be rescued, so they must use every thing sparingly because once its gone they won't be able to get it back. The mistakes they have made so far was with the first fire they started. They wasted too much wood, and soon they won't have wood left to burn anymore and their hopes of being rescued will become even smaller.
I believe the character I am most like is Simon. I think this because all though Simon is not one of the leaders, he still takes part in some decisions and helps on the island a lot. I think I am most like him because if I were in his situation, I defiently would not want to be the leader because I do not think I am responsible or organized enough to do so, but I would like to help out in decisions and other things too.
-Jennnnn!
Ralph and Piggy realize, that the best chance of survival would be to have hard work, to get vital necessities of life, such as food and shelter, the main goals of their work so far. Also, there is a bit of work being done to increase their chances of being found. But, the lack of consequences, and the age along with lack of understanding the possible problems of their circumstances leaves them to slack off and not work very much.
I don't think I am like any one character, but see traits in Piggy, Ralph and Jack that I could see in myself as well.
Talking about decisions is what I'm all about, whether it's on an island with Livia, Jane, Cae, Patty and Becky, or in politics, with the US and the Middle East talking it out rather than using VIOLENT MILITARY ACTION. [cough. cough. Boo McCain. cough cough.]
Ralph is clever enough to know that people will support him as a leader if he gives them a say. Piggy is intelligent enough to know that in order for a group of kids to function at all, there can not be a dictatorship. Kids are immature and will, without hesitation, rebel and cause chaos.
EMILY :)
Many of the kids are young, and have never really had responsibilities, and now they're being asked to build shelters and hunt for their own survival. I think the leaders have to be more persistent, and need to teach the younger children discipline and motivation. They need to explain that if they keep messing around they're probably going to die. I think I am most like Jack, because his and my philosiphies are the same. I rather have food than have a shelter, because the children could always sleep under tress, but they cant just find meat.
Chris G (KOBE)
The boys need to be deliberate about their actions because since they are young kids stranded on an island, they need to make sure that they can handle things they are capable of and they have to try to have order. At a young age, kids usually rely on adults for aid, but because there aren't any adults, now they have to rely on themselves. They are responsible for one another and because there are even yougner kids on the island, they have to watch out for them. Also, some of the younger kids do not exactly know what they are doing, so the older kids need to make sure the kids are safe and don't get into danger. I definitely agree that they have to be deliberate about their actions because if they are not, then they are basically harming themselves and either way, with any task a person comes upon, they should always be deliberate. Also, if they are not, then chaos could occur and that will just cause more trouble for the kids. One mistake they made so far was with the fire and how they were not careful about the surrounding area. Kids got close to the fire and it caused them to get injured. Also, some of the items around the fire were flammable, so the fire spread. The wind also contributed to the spread of flames.
I think I am most like Piggy. I relate in outter apperance because of my glasses. But on the inside, I am like Piggy because I am an intelligent person, and in troubled situations, I know what to do, but no one ever listens to me. Then when they make the mistake, I tell them that if they just listened to me, then they wouldn't be in trouble. Also, at times I may look like a weak person, but like I said before, on the inside, I am smarter and stronger than I appear.
I think that Piggy and Ralph say the "citizens" need to be deliberate about there actions so that the leader knows what is happening between everyone. It is also hard to keep track of everyone especially the littluns. They need to get everything in order and worry about survival and getting off the island. I think it just makes everything more organized adn up front. THe mistakes they made so far was making the fire to big and lighting the island on fire and killing a littleun. If i could pick a character i was most like i would say Jack because i would be the hunter but I wouldnt be crazy about killing a pig like him.
I think I am most like Simon, i would never want to have absolute power or would i give someone absolute power. I would rather just give suggestions and guide the group rather then have control over it.
The boys have the right main ideas... work together communicate, but I think without adults and proper management the boys rush into thing and do really stop to think about what they are doing. They do not plan out what they need to do.
Alexa
well there are a lot of decisions that may seem like its helping but its not. so yes i do think that the boys need to be deliberate about their actions. a mistake they made is making the fire which killed some little ones, wasted firewood, and it burned down some of the forest. also i think hunting isnt the greatest idea they should try to domesticate the animals and then eat them. because if you just hunt them the pigs will know to stay away.
i think i have traits of all 3 main characters: piggy, ralph, and jack.
The boys need to deliberate about their actions so they can all work as a team and help each other survive. They need to face the fact that they may have to spend a long time on the island before they are rescued. The only way they can survive is if they work together.
I am probably most like Simon. If I were in a similar situation, I would want to help out as much as I could. I also would have helped with the "littluns" as he did and I would try harder to keep them in order.
I believe that the boys do need to be more deliberate about their actions because an apprehensive leader is never a successful one. You have to be confident and go with your gut instinct because the instant you second-guess yourself yo will no longer have control over your people.
I feel that I am most like Simon because I take things for what they are and I like Simon would be the one who figures out that the beastie was just a parachutist.
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